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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:14 pm

I didn't think about that alternative. Agreed to the latest proposed conclusion.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:41 pm

I agree, though I'm wondering how would we classify criminals for this specific instance? Because wouldn't cheating on a test per se be classified as wrong, and the person labeled a criminal? Therefore the government could get involved. What about that? (Just wondering, not being the devil's advocate, yet... Wink)

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Tue Dec 08, 2009 4:39 am

Peter G. wrote:
I agree, though I'm wondering how would we classify criminals for this specific instance? Because wouldn't cheating on a test per se be classified as wrong, and the person labeled a criminal? Therefore the government could get involved. What about that? (Just wondering, not being the devil's advocate, yet... Wink)

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A criminal is someone who has been proven to have committed a crime. Cheating on a test is wrong, but it is not a crime by any means.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:42 am

Because it didn't infringe on someone's life, liberty, or property correct? Well, then I agree. Completely. Very Happy

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P.S. On a side note, I forsee a problem in our government's future, and that will be the people's interpertation of our laws that we set up. Its true that we are pretty specific, just not to the point that we are listing things within our definitions. And people will always try and go around the rules, causing havoc and pandemonium in the interpertation of the law that we set up.
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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:17 am

Peter G. wrote:
On a side note, I forsee a problem in our government's future, and that will be the people's interpertation of our laws that we set up. Its true that we are pretty specific, just not to the point that we are listing things within our definitions. And people will always try and go around the rules, causing havoc and pandemonium in the interpertation of the law that we set up.

Exactly: an unrighteous people will always create a tyrannical government no matter what we do. Period. But we do what we can to follow what we can do right anyways.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:33 am

Yep. And I think that is basically what happened to America correct?

Oh, and last night was really interesting to me. At like 1:00 A.M., or 1:15 A.M., I decided to look at my Bible and opened to Proverbs 28 and 29. These verses talk alot about Law and such. You guys should really check it out.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:39 pm

What about this situation (a lot can happen in 200 years.)?

Cheating on a test becomes considered a crime because it gives the student an unfair advantage over other students, especially if the test is curve-graded. Thus, the government begins to get a lever on education. Now, because there is no way to prove that tests are correctly administered, students have to take their tests in a public area, under supervision of the government. But of course, you have to make sure they're all being taught correctly, so that they have equal chances of getting good grades. So, we now have public schools.

The government is not to be involved in any way with education or schooling except to the extent that it is involved in every area of life, namely, to punish crime, and the government may educate future or current government workers.

I added that second sentence as an afterthought, because I don't see any place in scripture that says that government workers can't have training that's payed for by taxes. It isn't unusual for a company to use company funds to train their employees; why should government be different? Am I right, or is there a difference?

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:14 pm

And also, on a side note that still applies to this thread, is the fact that schools give out tests, and grades are completely subjective. Its all up to the teacher, and the test is either made, or editied by the teacher, therefore, not one class on the same subject is the same. Plus, you can be stuck up to the teacher (in a good way, like almost being a teachers pet) because that would actually help you get better grades. (A college professor has written about this in a book called, "What Smart Students Know") So really public schools might be cheaper, but the education is completely at the mercy of the teachers.

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P.S. I think this is still topical...
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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:43 am

You both are discussing fairness in schooling. Being fair or unfair in this situation doesn't threaten or take away anyone's life, liberty, or property. It may not be right, but it still isn't in the government's jurisdiction. As far as your second sentence Dr., this won't be needed because training future or current government workers is not considered schooling or education as we are discussing them. Any company, corporation, or institution (like the government) is going to need to do some sort of training so that employees know do their job. We're discussing the process of schooling seen in "preschool" through college. Any training needed for a specific job can be provided or funded by the employer of that job. So, I still think our last conclusion is best:

The government is not to be involved in any way with education or schooling except to punish criminals.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:19 am

I concur with Caleb on this one.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:54 am

I too concur.

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Fri Dec 11, 2009 3:20 pm

Agreed. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Schools and Government?   Tue May 18, 2010 6:18 pm

Greetings,

I would just like to point out that we are basically saying that there will be, "A separation of Education and State". I think that basically sums up the conclusion very nicely and is very cliche as well. Wink

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